When have we capped the potential revenue of companies successfully in the past? I've never heard of it. If Zuckerberg data centers wants to keep growing, then at some point they will have to find external customers. Thats actually what a lot of firms do, and what was really prominant in the Cannabis industry; Cannabis companies couldnt do "real banking" do to federal shenanigans. So instead why dispensaries would do, is make another LLC who buys the building and all the building permits that are municipally regulated - then as the municipality zoned and approved locations and projects for dispensaries and distribution licenses which had a multitude of their own specific restrictions They would then rent the facilities for ridiculous rental amounts which the rental company would legally be able to put into any regular bank - then make loans to the cannabis companies and dispensaries for whatever operating expenses were needed.
This got really ugly when Med Men, based out of LA, was made really public because of douchebaggery happening in the company revealing how they had been gaming their own investors etc EastOfTruth 49 days ago root parent next [—].
You got to start the discussion somewhere For me, I t think that it should be related to the number of employees. A cap on employees would probably be a negative thing, but a cap on revenue per employee would incentivise hiring people.
EastOfTruth 49 days ago root parent prev next [—]. Talking about monopolies, why does Facebook and HN have network issues at the same time.
Maybe people visit other sites when the ones they would have used go down? I don't know for sure but it is a plausible explanation for me. The problem here are not the special deals, saurik commented he cut special deals in the Cydia store occasionally the last time this topic came up. The problem is that there is no alternative to Apple when it comes to publishing software and content on the iPhone and that makes these kind of deals unfair.
This is naive, IMO. Even if the app store was run differently, say allowing a competing way of installing apps, Apple still have plenty of fungible power to make such deals. You might have ticked a box to make it technically fair, for some definition of, but that would probably be just cosmetic. IE, app store would still represent most revenue and everyone is in the same position but a few geeks.
The "platform game" establishes market power, where buyers and sellers need to go through you. They have no negotiating power, and you can price to make deals that take all the "surplus utility" off the table, in classic economic terms.
Netflix is that player here. They negotiate when they have to, but try to keep it quite. When the market is this structured, this is how it works. An alternative market would create pressure on Apple. If Netflix tells the App store to go screw themselves and lists on a different store, then the App Store gets that much less traffic and either has to compete or lose out. I don't think it does, beyond box ticking. You're not likely to get enough competition to get competitive market dynamics on iPhones.
Sure, a highly motivated user might go to alternative app stores. Netflix does not need to go to a different store. They're influential enough to negotiate. Apple would cut them the discount, like now, and they wouldn't. The other store will not have enough users to make the reduced fees worth ditching the app store. If there was enough competition, most of the app store profits would dissipate. That's what competition does. No little tickbox rule will make a competitive market in app stores.
These markets are structured by nature. That's why platforms are so powerful. Highly motivated users like kids who want to install Fortnite on their phones? That would give an "iOS Epic Store" a foot in the door, and while I'm not a huge fan of Epic, I think that would at least introduce some competition for Apple.
Does that seem to be the case for Google? My impression was that both companies take essentially the same percentages. Jcowell 49 days ago root parent prev next [—]. From a consumer point of view, this is terrible. No, it increases choice and lowers costs for the consumer. If you see switching app stores a "cost" because it's less practical, you most likely would still be able to use your store of choice, but you might need to pay more.
I don't see Netflix pulling out of the App Store if there alternatives. Right now, this is the only thing they can do to retaliate. Facebook pays for exclusives to the Oculus Store, Epic whose lawsuit brought this e-mail to light pays for exclusives on their store.
A fair few major developers only release through their own store. Cases that buck this trend like Halo releasing on Steam tends to be news rather than typical. That lack of platform control has also lead to an ecosystem of PC games that is pretty objectively more innovative and more expansive than the collection of games on any other tightly-managed competing platform.
The increasing trend of app stores on PC moving towards being silos is very worrying and harmful to consumers, but it's still a great deal better than what happens in competitive device-specific markets. Unless people like buying 3 separate gaming devices to get access to every console game that's released. That many apps are available for both Android and iOS really has more to do with a lack of competition and a set of consumer expectations about availability than it has to do with platform management.
There was a period where most PC games only released on Steam, too. And I think my consumer choices have generally increased with the addition of newer storefronts that offer me different features that Steam refuses to offer. It's easy to talk about the harms of fragmentation when you're happy with the status quo. But nobody who grew up protesting Steam's DRM is unhappy that more PC stores exist now, even if the market is more fragmented. And I similarly suspect that the people arguing that more choices on the iPhone would be bad for consumers are people who are happy with the app selection already, they're probably not the people who are frustrated that apps like NewPipe, Firefox, or emulators can only be accessed by moving to a completely separate ecosystem and buying a new device.
So we have to get a law against a "monopoly that arises after you've bought a product". You said it's naive but didn't actually present a reasonable alternative. Poor choice of words. Alternative to what? A law that says apple must allow alternative App Stores? I'm ok with that, and it might be useful to some people. I just don't think it will affect the market much. The App Store "market" is not going to become a competitive market with a quick fix like that.
Any solution that does make it a competitive market also tanks the business model. The competitive rate might be 0. We didn't have app stores before app stores. Any kind of antitrust effort would need to start from the understanding that this is not a competitive market. Apple has all the power.
A few app devs have the leverage to negotiate and everyone else is a price taker. You could "solve" it by regulating prices, enforcing a single price or otherwise limiting apple's choices directly. Similarly, it will be very hard to limit fb from making their app addictive, shrill or other such problems. Their incentives are very strongly tied to these. In a weird way, I think Apple and Google proved it would have significant impact, at least enough for them to put sizable effort in stopping it from happening.
Otherwise Apple wouldn't be fighting tooth and nails to keep it at bay. Google also went pretty great length, through bundled contracts, backroom deals and scaremongering to dissuade partners and users from choosing the alternative means that are available.
From the "follow the money" perspective, it seems there's hope in that corner. I mean, I agree that if Apple abandoned trying to control app delivery it would be a big deal. I just don't think a simple rule gets us there. Therefore Apple would have to make an offer that is competitive enough for them to stay. Unlike their current highway robbery approach in German we have the word wegelagerei, which was medieval toll extortion on unavoidable roadways, a better fitting term in my opinion.
I don't understand where you're going. Obviously Netflix would have more negotiating power if there were more alternatives. Netflix has enough leverage with Apple now that they pay half what regular developers pay. The dynamics play strongly in Apple's favour. But even if the alternative app store is free for developers, In any case, I'm not arguing that a competitive market would not be better.
I'm arguing that it takes more than a minor rule to get there. The dynamics play strongly in the platform's favour. But, unless you take the vast majority of users with you, that will add up to less revenue. There just isn't a whole lot of middle ground, compatibility between a world with competitive dynamic and play store's business model. To the extent that a law would be successful in creating competition, the play store business model fails.
It's premised on monopolism, more or less. I mean, payment processing and such obviously exist outside of a captive market The "alternative" is that, no, it's actually a problem that Apple's App Store is doing something bad. Disclaimer: this is from memory You could submit paid products to default Cydia repositories, where you personally handled payments.
There was no commission in such scenarios. Cydia had special deals in place for Intelliborn products, I dont think this extended to other groups. Intelliborn previously operated Rock Your iPhone, which was acquired by Cydia and this was a negotiated term. I also had special deals in place for various other developers. The deal with Intelliborn was especially "at cost", but I also did deals with anyone who seemed to have leverage or whom I simply felt a need to motivate.
Handytinge 44 days ago parent prev next [—]. Users know they're buying into a closed garden when they buy the product. It's a feature, not a bug. If people wanted alternative app stores, they'd buy Android or Linux devices. That saved me. I was trying to decipher this acronym based on the context where it was mentioned with no luck. I can search for a TV show or film, and even when the iTunes Store has it available, TV still suggests I watch it for free effectively on Amazon Prime, or any other streaming services I have set up.
I led engineering for a product in a similar position. Short answer is that it's about who owns the consumer. When you relinquish control of the browse experience, you lose the ability to control where your users go. For example, say Netflix allowed access and their customers got used to going to the TV app instead of the Netflix app, then Apple over time decides to feature Netflix content less and less over their own offerings or deprioritizing Netflix content in search results.
They could slowly bleed Netflix's customers away. They'd also have detailed data on what Netflix content users watched. In general, I'm with Netflix on this one considering how many businesses Apple has screwed over throughout the years when they choose to compete directly. Since picking up an Apple TV, my Netflix consumption is down to zero. Everything else is right there in the main UI, and it provides zero incentive for me to open their app.
At least from my perspective, Netflix really dropped the ball on this decision. I believe this is helping illustrate why Netflix made this decision. Sure, right now they'll lose a few people like you who cbf switching apps to see what's on Netflix - but they're banking that there's a lot more who will resign themselves to switching apps for the show they want, because they're used to finding their Netflix shows in the Netflix app anyway.
Now a threat to kick them out of TV App has teeth - because there will be a lot more users like you, who've grown accustomed to finding their Netflix shows in TV App, and won't know to go switching apps to find it. They don't want to hand Apple a club to beat them with.
Netflix had a good thing going on for a while but they managed to screw it up. I think it's more than that - if users are finding shows through the Apple TV search then Apple is able to promote their own shows and services in that search functionality. Netflix wants people to use their app so they can push their own content and features. Similar to why Amazon doesn't like it when you Google for products and end up at Amazon, they would rather you just visit amazon. The argument is more nuanced than that.
This decision by Netflix is hurting consumers. FireBeyond 49 days ago root parent prev next [—]. Apple, refusing to share their user data with others: "Great. Pro privacy. Pro user. Last straw. That requires sharing playback information. The thing that's lead me back to piracy is not Netflix itself, but the proliferation of streaming providers, with their exclusives. Let me pay for the show I want, easily, and I'll pay for it.
Make me jump through hoops and subscribe to services I don't want, well, it's just as easy to torrent it. Netflix didn't screw this up; it was every studio wanting to lock viewers into their own service. With the flood of medium quality content coming from Netflix in the past few years I'm almost happy with it not showing up. I was on an email chain where some HBO execs mentioned this, and it was a revelation.
Johnson: Does Apple treat every app and every developer the same? We have open rules. Because we care about privacy and quality, we do look at every app before it goes on. We apply these rules equally to everyone.
You seem to have missed out the crucial piece on context from that source, in that it's talking explicitly about app review and not IAP commission. Which also has special-case rules or lack of enforcement thereof…. This is glaringly evident at the very least in the way Apple and Google don't apply app store review to their own apps, so I don't understand why you're being downvoted. Similar to how third parties blessed for private API usage probably get their apps through review.
Isn't complying with IAP rules part of app review? The amount of commission that Apple receives from an IAP isn't something that's in the code for an app. It's not something that could be part of the app review process. It's an arrangement between Apple and the developer.
The app review processes explicitly are testing the backend components for compliance as well. The Fortnite app behind the lawsuit that we got these docs from was explicitly taken down for failing app review by not complying with IAP guidelines.
To be fair, from the third email it's clear they meant for Netflix to be treated as everyone else after they figured the rules for the program they mention , eliminating this special treatment. In my personal belief, Cook would've won more by admitting they may have some exceptions, but actively try to get rid of those. It's arguable of course, but it the email he justifies it by end-user interests and he probably means it.
That's just real-world realities - that exceptions happen even with the principled people, just because things are never white-and-black. Instead, he told a lie how they're holier than the Pope. Even if he believes in that and genuinely wants things to be that way, he surely knew it's not the reality. And I just wonder why. I don't have any knowledge how things work at those levels, but my very naive risk analysis is that if there's any serious investigation there are significant chances such lie would be uncovered, and legal and PR consequences of that would be harsher than admittance, especially with justifications.
Slide decks. Fucking everywhere. Presumably any video platform could apply for the "Video Partner Program" mentioned in the email. Ajedi32 49 days ago root parent next [—]. Our commitment to developers and customers is to run the world's best App Store, and when Netflix is cycling in and out, they are undermining that. I also explained that we run a principled App Store, and they have a unique arrangement because it was struck before the existing Video Partner Program came into effect What is the consequence of such a blatantly false testimony to Congress?
It's only blatantly false if you ignore the context that it was spoken in of talking about basic App review and not IAP commission. And plenty of wiggle room there, especially if the "same process applied to everyone" includes the stage "Have we negotiated a contract with them for an exception on this" Not that I think that anything would happen if it were in the IAP context.
What do I care about the law. For your average Joe or the CEO of a trillion-dollar company? Absolutely nothing. Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer, is a rare recent example. Cook was under oath, no? So as per my understanding, it is perjury on top of lying to congress.
I am, however, not a lawyer. Also you didn't read what Cook actually said in the preceding and following sentences. Right, lying to Congress is a crime regardless of whether you're under oath, but if you're under oath and lie, it's both.
It depends on who your friends are. Compare Clapper and Flynn. In practice? None whatsoever. Even under oath. After all, Congress critters constantly lie or spout nonsense, why should we ask more of those before them?
In principle, it's a crime. But, nobody will do anything about it, especially when it comes to a powerful white man. Supermancho 49 days ago root parent next [—].
Ironically, it's both common knowledge and trivially verifiable. I'm not sure how this is a "debated" topic. I am of the opinion that the whole "Reader apps" concept itself was brought in to selectively please big and important players. The ones whose absence would diminish the value of iPhone.
Indie developer's can't be expected to get same treatment. Luke LaFreniere has publicly stated that App Review basically refused to even entertain a Floatplane "reader app" for months, until they were able to appeal to someone who actually understood Apple's rules. They were getting absolutely nonsensical rejections that either didn't make sense or didn't account for the whole "reader app" thing. Ambroisie 49 days ago parent prev next [—]. What's a "reader app"? An app designed for getting a user's previously purchased content i.
They are exempted from certain App Store guidelines around account management and in-app purchases. ChrisMarshallNY 49 days ago prev next [—]. I just wish the damn AppleTV apps worked better together. The Netflix app is especially bad about this. At least on my prior-gen 4K ATV, do a search in the Netflix app and you'll never get out of the search menu. Menu button does nothing, select one of the items in search does nothing because as soon as you Menu out of it, you're back to the unescapable search screen.
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